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Tuesday, November 08, 2005

We Do Not Torture

This is the greatest thing ever:

Revision Thing - A history of the Iraq war, told entirely in lies

From the latest Harper's:
Posted on Monday, November 7, 2005. All text is verbatim from senior Bush Administration officials and advisers. In places, tenses have been changed for clarity. Originally from Harper's Magazine, October 2003. By Sam Smith.
Key excerpts:
It was absolutely clear that the NUMBER-ONE THREAT facing America was from Saddam Hussein.

We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda had high-level contacts that went back a decade.

We learned that Iraq had trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and deadly gases. The regime had long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations. Iraq and Al Qaeda had discussed safe-haven opportunities in Iraq. Iraqi officials denied accusations of ties with Al Qaeda. These denials simply were not credible.


Iraq possessed ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles--far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations. We also discovered through intelligence that Iraq had a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.


Saddam Hussein was determined to get his hands on a nuclear bomb.

We knew he'd been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believed he had, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. The British government learned that Saddam Hussein had recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.


Facing clear evidence of peril, we could not wait for the final proof that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.


We waged a war to save civilization itself.

We did not seek it, but we fought it, and we prevailed.


The scenes of free Iraqis celebrating in the streets, riding American tanks, tearing down the statues of Saddam Hussein in the center of Baghdad were breathtaking.


The United States was not interested in the oil in that region.

We were intent on ensuring that Iraq's oil resources remained under national Iraqi control, with the proceeds made available to support Iraqis in all parts of the country.

The oil fields belonged to the people of Iraq, the government of Iraq, all of Iraq.


We changed the regime of Iraq for the good of the Iraqi people.

We didn't want to occupy Iraq.

War is a terrible thing.

We've tried every other means to achieve objectives without a war because we understood what the price of a war can be and what it is. We sought peace. We strove for peace.

Nobody, but nobody, was more reluctant to go to war than President Bush.
Good stuff: Read the whole piece.

Now --

Drudge is reporting that Congress is set to investigate a big leak that has "threatened national security."
Sources tell Drudge that early this afternoon House Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Frist will announce a bicameral investigation into the leak of classified information to the WASHINGTON POST regarding the “black sites” where high value al Qaeda terrorists are being held and interrogated.

Said one Hill source: “Talk about a leak that damaged national security! How will we ever get our allies to cooperate if they fear that their people will be targeted by al Qaeda.”

According to sources, the WASHINGTON POST story by Dana Priest (Wednesday November 2), revealed highly classified information that has already done significant damage to US efforts in the War on Terror.
Well, the TRUTH hurts, doesn't it?
Today's GOP: Working For You.

(Spineless bastards, all.)

Moving on --

Bush Declares: 'We Do Not Torture'

PANAMA CITY, Panama - President Bush on Monday defended U.S. interrogation practices and called the treatment of terrorism suspects lawful.

"We do not torture," Bush declared in response to reports of secret
CIA prisons overseas.

Bush supported an effort spearheaded by Vice President DICK CHENEY to block or modify a proposed Senate-passed ban on torture.


Cheney is seeking to persuade Congress to exempt the Central Intelligence Agency from the proposed torture ban if one is passed by both chambers.
Obviously, Dick likes torture.

"Does Lynne?"

Ouch. Can't go there.
"We are finding terrorists and bringing them to justice. We are gathering information about where the terrorists may be hiding. We are trying to disrupt their plots and plans.

Anything we do ... to that end in this effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law.

You might wanna get a second opinion on that one.

A sane one.
Anything we do ... to that end in this effort, any activity we conduct, is within the law. We do not torture," Bush said.
Hey, you thespians out there: Try to "act" that last line. It's virtually impossible.

You gotta be able to change your logic in less than half a second.

Basically, you've got to be able to say, "We torture...because it's okay to torture...but we do not torture." In his words.

Make sense?

Does torture make sense?
Retired Army Col. Jack Jacobs, an MSNBC analyst, joined MSNBC's Chris Jansing on Monday to discuss torture, its effectiveness and what tactics he believes are most useful.

"At the end of the day, it's very easy to distinguish between the right thing and the wrong thing to do. If you do the wrong thing, you're not going to get any positive payoff from it and it's going to be of at some great cost," Jacobs said. "We get much more information if we treat people properly."
"Who said that?"

"Col. Jack Jacobs, sir."

"You know the procedure."

"One background check coming up."
That means that there is a fine line of how aggressive an interrogator can be, said Jacobs, who recently visited the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay and served in Vietnam.

"You need to be aggressive to get the information you want, but if you treat people inhumanely, they're just going to tell you what they think you want to hear," he said.

"They'll do anything just to get the mistreatment to stop, so you get nothing from mistreatment."
"Except good solid intelligence."

"You are correct, sir."

"Get me the president, would you? Wanna give him some notes on his last appearance."
Speaking of his experiences, Jacobs said he has had the best success by being decent to people.

"Down in Guantanamo Bay, there are instances in which lots of al-Qaida people will tell you anything that you want to know and tell them as much truth as you want them to tell you if you give them the candy bar that they want or the magazine that they require," he said.
Reading "Maxim" would be my definition of torture.

But that's just me.

More later...


  • Sam Smith the author of the first bit, has a blog as well over at the Progressive Review. It is the Undernews and an excellent source of progressive news heavier on news than commentary but definitely high quality info.

    By Blogger Carlton Noles, at 10:06 AM  

  • This is a pretty great one Brendan - my next favorite topic is Alito saying he "respects Roe." Sure I respect her...I just wouldn't date or marry her - the whore.

    By Anonymous Nick, at 11:56 AM  

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